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T O P I C R E V I E WNicole401I was watching Catfish: The show, which is pretty much a reality show about Neptunian love (imo), they meet online, fall in love, but never really get to meet each other in person for one reason or another. Usually one of them "hides" and avoids meeting the other person. And when they finally meet (which is the whole point of the show: to meet each other) all the romantic feelings seem to disappear, and they (usually) become friends instead.So my question is, were they in love to begin with? Were the feelings real? Is Neptunian love real? or is it just an illusion? Is love even real? Is that why Venus is exalted in the 12th house?Juliet41894in my opinion, and this is coming from someone with neptune in the 7th trine venus, neptune love is the purest, realest love. it's highly spiritual and doesn't require physical contact so i suppose that's why you're questioning if it's "real" or not. the emotional bond you feel goes beyond someone's personality or character; it's a love of their soul, and it's the realization that we're all bound to each other. but that's just my take SaturnineMoth quote:Originally posted by Juliet41894:in my opinion, and this is coming from someone with neptune in the 7th trine venus, neptune love is the purest, realest love. it's highly spiritual and doesn't require physical contact so i suppose that's why you're questioning if it's "real" or not. the emotional bond you feel goes beyond someone's personality or character; it's a love of their soul, and it's the realization that we're all bound to each other. but that's just my take I don't have anything to contribute Nicole, I'm sorry~ But, I really should try watching this show - everyone is talking about it lately... (I really do live under a rock sometimes! haha) I can say I have had these "catfishy" relationships at least 7 times, and only 4 of them really worked out in the manner of people meeting physically, or maintaining a bond, or actually forming a relationship... the ones that did are still close to me today. I don't think our interests were any less real just because they did have an almost "Neptunian" element to them... I do see where you are coming from with that... I have Psc dsc~ Neptune in Sadge 4h... maybe that's why I'm kinda drawn into them so often... iunno Oo; But, yes~ I really need to watch the show! XD @ Juliet --- I just wanted to say I really love everything you wrote above; well said! StacyLewis quote:Originally posted by Juliet41894:in my opinion, and this is coming from someone with neptune in the 7th trine venus, neptune love is the purest, realest love. it's highly spiritual and doesn't require physical contact so i suppose that's why you're questioning if it's "real" or not. the emotional bond you feel goes beyond someone's personality or character; it's a love of their soul, and it's the realization that we're all bound to each other. but that's just my take This is the first time in years that I've seen anybody else say anything about Neptune that actually made sense. Usually people refer to it as a malefic - of all things, and start clucking the second they see a lot of Neptune aspects in any chart, whether natal, synastry, composite...Interesting considering it's the higher form/octave of Venus.JLyn ~Online relationships without ever meeting can become mysterously addicting, but because they havent had the chance to smell touch or connect through physical expressions its only the deception of wishful thinking that gives you that feeling of infatuation attachment. So basically you become emotionally attached which gives you a sense of love from what the heart wants, so feelings manifest into more than what is. Neptune love is the strongest most soul touching energy that would make doves fly together towards the apple tree to bring a squrriel a piece of aloe for his little cut arm, because they think, why wouldn't i?Love is forgivenessLove is a quiet understandingLove is givingLove is sacaficeLove is excectingLove is musicalLove is EMOTIONALTo fall in true love you have be emotionally connected, lust just pulls them close."Venus 12thNeptune conjuct MidheavenPisces rising moon and mars"------------------Edit:SaturnineMoth quote:Originally posted by JLyn ~:Love is forgivenessLove is a quiet understandingLove is givingLove is sacrificeLove is expectingLove is musicalLove is EMOTIONALJLyn ~this is beautiful~ ~my neptune plays 2 deg of separation.... it really does end up hitting almost everything in my chart~ but the impact is subtle~ def from a DSC-y connection... awww but this mushy stuff definitely gets it going~ *doves* <3 x2charlieAs someone who has dated many a Fish and with a Fish hanging on my descendant, I must say that their love is esoteric and transcendant. They are emotional with depths that sometimes are very hard to grasp but is better left being analyzed or interrogated because it'll eventually ruin the pureness of it all. 11nahyt quote:Originally posted by JLyn ~: Neptune love is the strongest most soul touching energy that would make doves fly together towards the apple tree to bring a squrriel a piece of aloe for his little cut arm, because they think, why wouldn't i?Love is forgivenessLove is a quiet understandingLove is givingLove is sacaficeLove is excectingLove is musicalLove is EMOTIONALTo fall in true love you have be emotionally connected, lust just pulls them close."Venus 12thNeptune conjuct MidheavenPisces rising moon and mars"I LAVVVVVVVV THIS. 11nahyt quote:Originally posted by Juliet41894:in my opinion, and this is coming from someone with neptune in the 7th trine venus, neptune love is the purest, realest love. it's highly spiritual and doesn't require physical contact so i suppose that's why you're questioning if it's "real" or not. the emotional bond you feel goes beyond someone's personality or character; it's a love of their soul, and it's the realization that we're all bound to each other. but that's just my take JLyn ~ quote:Originally posted by SaturnineMoth: JLyn ~this is beautiful~ ~my neptune plays 2 deg of separation.... it really does end up hitting almost everything in my chart~ but the impact is subtle~ def from a DSC-y connection... awww but this mushy stuff definitely gets it going~ *doves* <3 x2 i know i know i got all mushy, but i adore talking about L word------------------JLyn ~ quote:Originally posted by 11nahyt: I LAVVVVVVVV THIS. Thank you 11nahyt : )------------------hannaramaaI've never understood why it wasn't... and I agree with StacyLewis (again!) because I only ever see people drawing back in horror at Neptune. I'm standing there looking around, going "What?" I have it in the 7th and I'm still not confident in how the 7th house works as far as projection goes, but whenever I fall in love, I'll do anything for the person. I don't hate people who don't love me back (although it doesn't feel great) You just end up wanting the best for them. Sun, Mercury, and Venus 11H square Neptune 7HMoon 11H trine Neptune 7HPluto 5H sextile Neptune 7HStacyLewis quote:Originally posted by JLyn ~:Online relationships without ever meeting can become mysterously addicting, but because they havent had the chance to smell touch or connect through physical expressions its only the deception of wishful thinking that gives you that feeling of infatuation attachment. So basically you become emotionally attached which gives you a sense of love from what the heart wants, so feelings manifest into more than what is. To fall in true love you have be emotionally connected, lust just pulls them close.Actually this contradicts itself in multiple places, and I'll tell you why. If anything, an online relationship can be less deceptive and more 'real' on multiple levels, than an actual face-to-face relationship, because of the fact that it's *not* in person and you don't have things like physical attraction or in-person chemistry, clouding it and getting mistaken for actual love and emotional, intellectual and spiritual compatibility.Especially back in the old-school days of the internet, when there was no Skype, and most people didn't even post a picture of themselves online. So you had no idea who they were, what they looked like...all you had were words, so it was purely about getting to know one another in a way that had nothing to do with the external or any other things besides the personality and spirit of the person on the other end, which resulted in a lot of bonds that were purely emotionally and intellectually-based.If anything, face-to-face relationships are more unreal (and Neptunian in the negative sense of illusion) and lust-based because people usually wind up asking out someone they think is "hot". Ask most people who met their significant other in the real world, why they asked them out, or the story of how they met - and nine times out of ten, they'll mention something about how nice-looking they thought the person was.I think that, online-relationships, if they happen (and unfold in) the right way, from the inside (of the people involved) out, pretty much embody the positive side of Neptune, pure love in its highest form. In-person relationships usually start out Neptunian in the more negative manifestation - "You look good to me, or you meet a list of external criteria that has nothing to do with our compatiblity as souls, therefore I think I'm in love".Nicole401 quote:Originally posted by Juliet41894:in my opinion, and this is coming from someone with neptune in the 7th trine venus, neptune love is the purest, realest love. it's highly spiritual and doesn't require physical contact so i suppose that's why you're questioning if it's "real" or not. the emotional bond you feel goes beyond someone's personality or character; it's a love of their soul, and it's the realization that we're all bound to each other. but that's just my take If its real, as you say, why is deception involved? Why is Neptune so upset once it realizes the person is not as they thought they were? Both Venus & Neptune know how to keep themselves happy in love. But most of what they believe isn't necessarily real (imo).However I do believe that neptunian love can reach such depth, at its best - when no lying is involved.hannaramaa quote:Originally posted by StacyLewis: Actually this contradicts itself in multiple places, and I'll tell you why. If anything, an online relationship can be less deceptive and more 'real' on multiple levels, than an actual face-to-face relationship, because of the fact that it's *not* in person and you don't have things like physical attraction or in-person chemistry, clouding it and getting mistaken for actual love and emotional, intellectual and spiritual compatibility.Especially back in the old-school days of the internet, when there was no Skype, and most people didn't even post a picture of themselves online. So you had no idea who they were, what they looked like...all you had were words, so it was purely about getting to know one another in a way that had nothing to do with the external or any other things besides the personality and spirit of the person on the other end, which resulted in a lot of bonds that were purely emotionally and intellectually-based.If anything, face-to-face relationships are more unreal (and Neptunian in the negative sense of illusion) and lust-based because people usually wind up asking out someone they think is "hot". Ask most people who met their significant other in the real world, why they asked them out, or the story of how they met - and nine times out of ten, they'll mention something about how nice-looking they thought the person was.I think that, online-relationships, if they happen (and unfold in) the right way, from the inside (of the people involved) out, pretty much embody the positive side of Neptune, pure love in its highest form. In-person relationships usually start out Neptunian in the more negative manifestation - "You look good to me, or you meet a list of external criteria that has nothing to do with our compatiblity as souls, therefore I think I'm in love".I hope everybody is listening to this girl. She knows what she's talking about.Haplesschild*But part of truly loving somebody is loving how they express themselves, how they talk and come across, like their 'vibe.' Alot of the time, you have a different persona online.People can be anybody they want to be hence why you find some outgoing and hilarious people online, whom are actually bland and dull and often have emotional/mental issues.You can't truly lve somebody if you've never lived day to day life with them, online gives you the ability to fill in blanks and that creates illusion.JLyn ~ quote:Originally posted by StacyLewis: Actually this contradicts itself in multiple places, and I'll tell you why. If anything, an online relationship can be less deceptive and more 'real' on multiple levels, than an actual face-to-face relationship, because of the fact that it's *not* in person and you don't have things like physical attraction or in-person chemistry, clouding it and getting mistaken for actual love and emotional, intellectual and spiritual compatibility.Especially back in the old-school days of the internet, when there was no Skype, and most people didn't even post a picture of themselves online. So you had no idea who they were, what they looked like...all you had were words, so it was purely about getting to know one another in a way that had nothing to do with the external or any other things besides the personality and spirit of the person on the other end, which resulted in a lot of bonds that were purely emotionally and intellectually-based.If anything, face-to-face relationships are more unreal (and Neptunian in the negative sense of illusion) and lust-based because people usually wind up asking out someone they think is "hot". Ask most people who met their significant other in the real world, why they asked them out, or the story of how they met - and nine times out of ten, they'll mention something about how nice-looking they thought the person was.I think that, online-relationships, if they happen (and unfold in) the right way, from the inside (of the people involved) out, pretty much embody the positive side of Neptune, pure love in its highest form. In-person relationships usually start out Neptunian in the more negative manifestation - "You look good to me, or you meet a list of external criteria that has nothing to do with our compatiblity as souls, therefore I think I'm in love". I clearly made a point that you undermindingly dont see, This is starting to feel like the twilight zone. I sense people very easily, and i feel your negative energy. I feel it and you show it. Sorry, i'm not trying to hurt you but please let go of that blanket.Now back to what i wrote:I said online relationships is deception with the infatuation attachment feelings, meaning its not real love, meaning your mind will trick you into believing what he or she REALLY is as a person since you cant see their facal expressions and little nits and nats about how they interact in person. Anyone can type i love you, but its more meaningful and touches you more when they take you by the hand and give you that look and says i love you. And spiritual connections doesnt mean they have to be far away, i had an ex that knew when i was about to get into a car reck he called my cell and said jamie dont go down such and such road but i did anyway and recked just like he said!! i always had dreams about him and knew how he was feeling or if anything was bothering him, i knew it was him before i picked up the phone, "thats a spiritual connection".True love isnt produced by physical lusty rose colored glasses neptune, but in person it give it a romantic feel to something much greater, something thats becomes much emotional with every kiss hands holding and everytime you make deep passionate love the emotional bond grows stronger into a knitted union that unspoken words from across the room with only their eyes telling the story becomes normal.online relations-deceptive neptunehuman contact relations-a real experience------------------JLyn ~.hannaramaaIsn't what "is" and "isn't" meaningful, subjective?12thhouserIs Neptunian love real? YesKeroseneI'm not sure about synastry, but neptune is dominant in my chart. I think this makes me insanely romantic. I've always loved romance for the sake of romance, the person was secondary... I often think I create my own perfect illusion of love. I think it depends how Neptune is working in chart, I have a lot of stress aspects.So no Neptune does not always represent real love, but was it is real love?
And when they finally meet (which is the whole point of the show: to meet each other) all the romantic feelings seem to disappear, and they (usually) become friends instead.
So my question is, were they in love to begin with? Were the feelings real?
Is Neptunian love real? or is it just an illusion? Is love even real? Is that why Venus is exalted in the 12th house?
quote:Originally posted by Juliet41894:in my opinion, and this is coming from someone with neptune in the 7th trine venus, neptune love is the purest, realest love. it's highly spiritual and doesn't require physical contact so i suppose that's why you're questioning if it's "real" or not. the emotional bond you feel goes beyond someone's personality or character; it's a love of their soul, and it's the realization that we're all bound to each other. but that's just my take
I don't have anything to contribute Nicole, I'm sorry~ But, I really should try watching this show - everyone is talking about it lately... (I really do live under a rock sometimes! haha)
I can say I have had these "catfishy" relationships at least 7 times, and only 4 of them really worked out in the manner of people meeting physically, or maintaining a bond, or actually forming a relationship... the ones that did are still close to me today. I don't think our interests were any less real just because they did have an almost "Neptunian" element to them... I do see where you are coming from with that... I have Psc dsc~ Neptune in Sadge 4h... maybe that's why I'm kinda drawn into them so often... iunno Oo; But, yes~ I really need to watch the show! XD
@ Juliet --- I just wanted to say I really love everything you wrote above; well said!
This is the first time in years that I've seen anybody else say anything about Neptune that actually made sense.
Usually people refer to it as a malefic - of all things, and start clucking the second they see a lot of Neptune aspects in any chart, whether natal, synastry, composite...
Interesting considering it's the higher form/octave of Venus.
Neptune love is the strongest most soul touching energy that would make doves fly together towards the apple tree to bring a squrriel a piece of aloe for his little cut arm, because they think, why wouldn't i?
Love is forgivenessLove is a quiet understandingLove is givingLove is sacaficeLove is excectingLove is musicalLove is EMOTIONAL
To fall in true love you have be emotionally connected, lust just pulls them close.
"Venus 12thNeptune conjuct MidheavenPisces rising moon and mars"
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quote:Originally posted by JLyn ~:Love is forgivenessLove is a quiet understandingLove is givingLove is sacrificeLove is expectingLove is musicalLove is EMOTIONAL
Love is forgivenessLove is a quiet understandingLove is givingLove is sacrificeLove is expectingLove is musicalLove is EMOTIONAL
JLyn ~this is beautiful~
~my neptune plays 2 deg of separation.... it really does end up hitting almost everything in my chart~ but the impact is subtle~ def from a DSC-y connection...
awww but this mushy stuff definitely gets it going~
*doves* <3 x2
quote:Originally posted by JLyn ~: Neptune love is the strongest most soul touching energy that would make doves fly together towards the apple tree to bring a squrriel a piece of aloe for his little cut arm, because they think, why wouldn't i?Love is forgivenessLove is a quiet understandingLove is givingLove is sacaficeLove is excectingLove is musicalLove is EMOTIONALTo fall in true love you have be emotionally connected, lust just pulls them close."Venus 12thNeptune conjuct MidheavenPisces rising moon and mars"
I LAVVVVVVVV THIS.
quote:Originally posted by SaturnineMoth: JLyn ~this is beautiful~ ~my neptune plays 2 deg of separation.... it really does end up hitting almost everything in my chart~ but the impact is subtle~ def from a DSC-y connection... awww but this mushy stuff definitely gets it going~ *doves* <3 x2
i know i know i got all mushy, but i adore talking about L word
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quote:Originally posted by 11nahyt: I LAVVVVVVVV THIS.
Thank you 11nahyt : )
I have it in the 7th and I'm still not confident in how the 7th house works as far as projection goes, but whenever I fall in love, I'll do anything for the person. I don't hate people who don't love me back (although it doesn't feel great) You just end up wanting the best for them.
Sun, Mercury, and Venus 11H square Neptune 7HMoon 11H trine Neptune 7HPluto 5H sextile Neptune 7H
quote:Originally posted by JLyn ~:Online relationships without ever meeting can become mysterously addicting, but because they havent had the chance to smell touch or connect through physical expressions its only the deception of wishful thinking that gives you that feeling of infatuation attachment. So basically you become emotionally attached which gives you a sense of love from what the heart wants, so feelings manifest into more than what is. To fall in true love you have be emotionally connected, lust just pulls them close.
Actually this contradicts itself in multiple places, and I'll tell you why.
If anything, an online relationship can be less deceptive and more 'real' on multiple levels, than an actual face-to-face relationship, because of the fact that it's *not* in person and you don't have things like physical attraction or in-person chemistry, clouding it and getting mistaken for actual love and emotional, intellectual and spiritual compatibility.
Especially back in the old-school days of the internet, when there was no Skype, and most people didn't even post a picture of themselves online. So you had no idea who they were, what they looked like...all you had were words, so it was purely about getting to know one another in a way that had nothing to do with the external or any other things besides the personality and spirit of the person on the other end, which resulted in a lot of bonds that were purely emotionally and intellectually-based.
If anything, face-to-face relationships are more unreal (and Neptunian in the negative sense of illusion) and lust-based because people usually wind up asking out someone they think is "hot". Ask most people who met their significant other in the real world, why they asked them out, or the story of how they met - and nine times out of ten, they'll mention something about how nice-looking they thought the person was.
I think that, online-relationships, if they happen (and unfold in) the right way, from the inside (of the people involved) out, pretty much embody the positive side of Neptune, pure love in its highest form. In-person relationships usually start out Neptunian in the more negative manifestation - "You look good to me, or you meet a list of external criteria that has nothing to do with our compatiblity as souls, therefore I think I'm in love".
If its real, as you say, why is deception involved? Why is Neptune so upset once it realizes the person is not as they thought they were?
Both Venus & Neptune know how to keep themselves happy in love. But most of what they believe isn't necessarily real (imo).
However I do believe that neptunian love can reach such depth, at its best - when no lying is involved.
quote:Originally posted by StacyLewis: Actually this contradicts itself in multiple places, and I'll tell you why. If anything, an online relationship can be less deceptive and more 'real' on multiple levels, than an actual face-to-face relationship, because of the fact that it's *not* in person and you don't have things like physical attraction or in-person chemistry, clouding it and getting mistaken for actual love and emotional, intellectual and spiritual compatibility.Especially back in the old-school days of the internet, when there was no Skype, and most people didn't even post a picture of themselves online. So you had no idea who they were, what they looked like...all you had were words, so it was purely about getting to know one another in a way that had nothing to do with the external or any other things besides the personality and spirit of the person on the other end, which resulted in a lot of bonds that were purely emotionally and intellectually-based.If anything, face-to-face relationships are more unreal (and Neptunian in the negative sense of illusion) and lust-based because people usually wind up asking out someone they think is "hot". Ask most people who met their significant other in the real world, why they asked them out, or the story of how they met - and nine times out of ten, they'll mention something about how nice-looking they thought the person was.I think that, online-relationships, if they happen (and unfold in) the right way, from the inside (of the people involved) out, pretty much embody the positive side of Neptune, pure love in its highest form. In-person relationships usually start out Neptunian in the more negative manifestation - "You look good to me, or you meet a list of external criteria that has nothing to do with our compatiblity as souls, therefore I think I'm in love".
I hope everybody is listening to this girl. She knows what she's talking about.
You can't truly lve somebody if you've never lived day to day life with them, online gives you the ability to fill in blanks and that creates illusion.
I clearly made a point that you undermindingly dont see, This is starting to feel like the twilight zone. I sense people very easily, and i feel your negative energy. I feel it and you show it. Sorry, i'm not trying to hurt you but please let go of that blanket.
Now back to what i wrote:I said online relationships is deception with the infatuation attachment feelings, meaning its not real love, meaning your mind will trick you into believing what he or she REALLY is as a person since you cant see their facal expressions and little nits and nats about how they interact in person. Anyone can type i love you, but its more meaningful and touches you more when they take you by the hand and give you that look and says i love you. And spiritual connections doesnt mean they have to be far away, i had an ex that knew when i was about to get into a car reck he called my cell and said jamie dont go down such and such road but i did anyway and recked just like he said!! i always had dreams about him and knew how he was feeling or if anything was bothering him, i knew it was him before i picked up the phone, "thats a spiritual connection".
True love isnt produced by physical lusty rose colored glasses neptune, but in person it give it a romantic feel to something much greater, something thats becomes much emotional with every kiss hands holding and everytime you make deep passionate love the emotional bond grows stronger into a knitted union that unspoken words from across the room with only their eyes telling the story becomes normal.
online relations-deceptive neptune
human contact relations-a real experience
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